THOMAS v. REAGAN

USDC Cr. No. 84-3552

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
WILLIAM THOMAS, ET AL.,
PLAINTIFFS,

CIVIL ACTION 84-3552

V.

WASHINGTON, D. C

MARCH 26, 1986

10:00 O'CLOCK A. M

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, ET AL.,

DEFENDANTS,

TRANSCRIPT OF HEARING BEFORE THE
HONORABLE LOUIS F. OBERDORFER,
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

APPEARANCES:

FOR THE PLAINTIFF WILLIAM THOMAS: MR. THOMAS APPEARS PRO SE.

FOR THE FEDERAL

DEFENDANTS:

JOHN D. BATES, ESQ., AND MICHAEL
MARTINEZ, ESQ., ASSISTANT UNITED STATES
ATTORNEYS; AND RICHARD ROBBINS, ESQ.,
SOLICITOR'S OFFICE, DEPARTMENT OF
THE INTERIOR

FOR THE DEFENDANT
CANFIELD: PETER HAAS, ESQ., ASSISTANT CORPORATION

COUNSEL

ALSO PRESENT: ARTHUR B. SPITZER, ESQ., LEGAL DIRECTOR,

AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION OF
NATIONAL CAPITAL AREA, AMICUS CURIAE

(PROCEEDINGS REPORTED BY MACHINE SHORTHAND; TRANSCRIPT PRODUCED BY NOTEREADING.)

Thomas Toros K. Der Dourian
Official Court Reporter
6806 United State Court Reporter

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PROCEEDINGS

THE DEPUTY CLERK: CIVIL ACTION NO. 84-3552, WILLIAM THOMAS VERSUS THE UNITED STATES, ET AL,

THE PLAINTIFF IS PRO SE.

COUNSEL FOR THE DEFENDANTS: JOHN BATES, MICHAEL MARTINEZ AND PETER HAAS.

MR. SPITZER, AMICUS CURIAE.

THE COURT: GOOD MORNING, MR. BATES. MR. THOMAS, COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE, BOTH OF YOU. JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE STATUS OF THIS, THE MOTION FOR A PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION IS WITHDRAWN.

MR. THOMAS: YES.

THE COURT: AND YOUR REAL CASE IS A CONSPIRACY CASE.

MR. THOMAS: YES, AS I SEE IT.

THE COURT: AND YOU ARE CHARGING A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT OFFICIALS WITH INTERFERENCE WITH YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

MR. THOMAS: YES.

THE COURT: NOW, IN ALL CANDOR, WITH YOU OPERATING WITHOUT A LAWYER, YOU HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY, AND I HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY, PINPOINTING EXACTLY WHOM YOU CLAIM DID WHAT TO YOU WHEN.

NOW, RATHER THAN ASK YOU TO GO AND FILE ANOTHER, STILL ANOTHER, MORE-BOILED-DOWN COMPLAINT OR MEMORANDUM, I AM PREPARING, AND I AM GOING TO FURNISH YOU WITH, A QUESTIONNAIRE

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THAT WILL ASK YOU IN A FEW WORDS JUST TO CHECK OFF THE NAME OF EACH PERSON WHOM YOU THINK VIOLATED YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

THE FORM USES THE TERM "OVERT ACT." THAT MEANS: WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOU AND WHEN?

AND I AM GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME TIME TO FILL THAT OUT AND FILE IT. WE WILL MEET AGAIN IN A FEW DAYS AFTER YOU HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. DO YOU FOLLOW ME, MR. THOMAS?

MR. THOMAS: YES.

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.

MR. BATES, DO YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THAT?

MR. BATES: I HAVE NO PROBLEM.

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT.

MR. BATES: AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOUR HONOR, ONCE THIS TAKES PLACE, BEFORE ANYTHING FURTHER TAKES PLACE --

THE COURT: WE ARE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE ARE THERE. I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE IT A BITE AT A TIME.

MR. BATES: ALL RIGHT, YOUR HONOR.

THE COURT: NOW, MR. THOMAS, I ALSO HAVE UNDER ADVISEMENT YOUR MOTION FOR REDUCTION OF SENTENCE AND YOUR MOTION FOR WRIT OF ERROR CORAM NOBIS. I WILL HAVE AN ORDER OUT LATER TODAY ON THAT.

MR. THOMAS: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THE COURT: VERY WELL.

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MR. BATES: YOUR HONOR, THOSE ARE NOT IN THIS CASE; ARE THEY?

THE COURT: NO.

MR. BATES: I WAS NOT AWARE OF THEM.

THE COURT: THIS IS A CIVIL CASE, BUT HE IS HERE ON SOMETHING ELSE, TOO.

MR. BATES: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

THE COURT: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN.

(WHEREUPON, THE COURT ADJOURNED THE HEARING.)
REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

I, THOMAS DOURIAN, CERTIFY THAT THE FOREGOING IS THE OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF THE PROCEEDINGS N THE ABOVE ENTITLED MATTER; AND THAT IT IS COMPLETE AND ACCURATE, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY.
OFFICIAL REPORTER

(signed)
Thomas Toros K. Der Dourian
Official Court Reporter
6808 United Stated Court House
Washington, D.C. 20001


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